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Hollywood Stars Defend Pro-Life Views on TV Talk Shows

Colmes Left Speechless Trying To Argue Against Pro-Life Supermodel

NEW YORK, October 3, 2002 (LSN.ca) – Former supermodel Kathy Ireland and Emmy-
award winning actress Patricia Heaton of “Everybody Loves Raymond” appeared on
talk shows Monday and Tuesday where both were pressed on their pro-life
beliefs.

Appearing Monday on Fox News Channel's "Hannity and Colmes," Kathy Ireland
was unbeatable in arguing down resident liberal Alan Colmes. An excerpt from
the transcript follows:

COLMES: "We played a little clip from last time you were on the show. And I
asked you if you had a liberal position. And for those who didn't see it earlier,
you said yes, I'm liberal about the rights of the unborn child.

"Now I think I'm conservative on abortion because I think the government should
not be involved and that this is not a governmental issue. It's a personal
issue. So wouldn't I then have the conservative position here?"

IRELAND: "Is it all right for the government to allow the murder of an innocent
human being? The evidence I see tells me the unborn is a human being. From the
moment of conception, a new life comes into being with a complete genetic
blueprint. The sex is determined. The blood type is determined."

Colmes relentlessly attempted to interrupt Ireland as she spoke, however
Ireland was stronger and won her right to finish her points despite the
intimidation. Eventually Colmes was able to get in the following but only to
his eventual defeat:

COLMES: "Well, we have a system of laws and a Supreme Court decision that does
not define life the way you do. So legally, that's not how it would be defined.
If you want to define it that way for your personal -- that's how you want to
do it, that's fine, but that's not the standing law of this country."

IRELAND: "If you can, Alan, if you can show me evidence that the unborn is not a
human being, I will gladly join the pro-choice side. If you can show me any
evidence. It's very clear and simple.

"Last time I was on, you said we're not going to resolve this right now but it's
very simple. The bottom line is this. If the unborn is not a human being, have
as many abortions as you want, whenever you want. It doesn't matter. No
justification is necessary. If, on the other hand, the unborn is a human being,
no justification is adequate unless another human life, that being the mother,
is in danger."

HANNITY: "Kathy, welcome back. Sean Hannity here. You know, since the last time
you were on, we had an enormous amount of e-mail from people that were frankly
shocked that somebody as famous, [and] well known as yourself, [would] take such a strong pro-
life position. Are there more of these famous people that are just not willing
to state these things publicly?"

IRELAND: "I know it's not a popular issue. And I was always pro- choice. I'm a
person who always has and always will fight for the rights of women. And even
though I became a Christian at age 18, I remained pro- choice because I
believed it was a woman's choice. But the moment that I learned that the unborn
was a human being, not part of the woman's body.."

HANNITY: "Yes."

IRELAND: "...but its own individual human being, I have no choice but to defend
the most vulnerable among us."

HANNITY: "Well, it's admirable, because I agree with you on the position. And
especially with what modern technology now offers in terms of our ability to
see inside a woman's womb."

IRELAND: "Absolutely."

HANNITY: "And the heart beating and the fingers and the toes."

IRELAND: "You really can't argue with it. Technology has come a long way since
Roe vs. Wade."

HANNITY: "I can't."

IRELAND: "And Alan, I welcome you to please refute my claim."

HANNITY: "There's no hope."

IRELAND: "Not to dismiss it, but refute it."

HANNITY: "No hope for him, Kathy."

IRELAND: "I welcome it, or if any of your viewers can."

On Tuesday Patricia Heaton appeared on Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly
Factor." Almost immediately host Bill O’Reilly turned the discussion to Heaton’
s pro-life views. An excerpt follows:

O'REILLY: "All right. A couple of interesting things in your book, and we -- put
it this way, ladies and gentlemen: If we have somebody on here, the book's not
going to be a dog. If the book's bad, we're not going to have them on here.

"So you are pro-life in a town..."

HEATON: "That's right."

O'REILLY: "... that is almost 100 percent pro-choice. How does that impact on
you?"

HEATON: "Well, you know, I'm a chairman of Feminists for Life, and so I think
that, because of that, we have an interesting stand that most people don't --
haven't heard before, which is being pro-life can be a feminist issue.

"The early feminists were pro-life. And really abortion is a huge disservice to
women, and it hasn't been presented that way. So -- so it's a -- there's a sort
of an in for me because of that take on it."

O'REILLY: "Do you take any heat from your peers out there?"

HEATON: "I did. I mean, I did originally. I vote Republican because of my pro-
life stance, and, of course, that was a real hot-button issue when Bill Clinton
was first elected.

"I mean, people really -- I wore a Quayle-Bush button, and literally people
would stop and look at the button the and look at me and give me dirty looks
and, you know, say nasty things to me.

"I think, since 9/11, a lot of that has calmed down a little bit."

O'REILLY: "But, still, I mean, if Susan Sarandon or Barbra Streisand were here,
I mean, they wouldn't talk to you. They would turn their back on you."

HEATON: "You know what? It's not that polarized. I mean, people know me first as
an actress and friend."

O'REILLY: "But if they knew. If they knew, they..."

HEATON: "Some people have had that reaction, but I wouldn't say all of them."

O'REILLY: "The reason I'm saying it is it's a very emotional issue, as you know."

HEATON: "Yes."

O'REILLY: "Tremendously emotionally charged."

HEATON: "Yes, yes."

O'REILLY: "And I believe it's been exploited by politicians. I think it's a
human-rights issue."

HEATON: "Yes."

O'REILLY: "Would you ban abortion?"

HEATON: "As -- Feminists for Life -- what we're trying to do is support women,
and so what we want to do is for -- reach women on campus -- college campuses
so that, when they get pregnant, they can find housing. They can find money
they need to stay in school."

O'REILLY: "So you're giving -- you're putting an alternative track out there."

HEATON: "Yes. I think pro-choice is a ridiculous -- you know..."

O'REILLY: "But it all comes down to..."

HEATON: "... name."

O'REILLY: "... would you ban it if you were a Supreme Court justice? Would you
vote to ban it?"

HEATON: "Yes."

O'REILLY: "You would?"

HEATON: "Yes."

O'REILLY: "OK. Now that, obviously, takes guts in Hollywood because, in
Hollywood, there's a subtext that, if you don't play the game, you know, you
could lose jobs."

HEATON: "Yes."

O'REILLY: "Did you ever think of it?"

HEATON: "Yes, I've thought about it. On a personal level, as a Christian, it
will not be Barbra Streisand I'm standing in front of when I have to make an
accounting of my life."

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